Transcript from Eyes on ICE by NO KINGS

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HELLO, EVERYONE AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THIS URGENT CALL.

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I AM THE ACLU NATIONAL ORGANIZING DIRECTOR. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO STAND ALONGSIDE YOU DURING THIS

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DIFFICULT TIME IN THE COUNTRY AND APPRECIATE YOU CONTINUING TO SHOW UP FOR YOUR COMMUNITIES.

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AS YOU MAY KNOW, FEDERAL AGENTS TRAGICALLY SHOT AND KILLED 37-YEAR-OLD ALEX PRETTI SATURDAY

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MORNING IN THE EAST STREET NEIGHBORHOOD OF MINNEAPOLIS AFTER BEATING HIM IN FRONT OF WITNESSES.

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THIS TRAGEDY COMES LESS THAN THREE WEEKS AFTER FEDERAL AGENTS SHOT AND KILLED 37-YEAR-OLD

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MOTHER RENEE GOOD IN MINNE MINNEAPOLIS. FOR NEARLY TWO MONTHS, FEDERAL AGENTS HAVE RAMPED UP

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IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS IN MINNEAPOLIS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. THIS IS WHY MANY OF YOU HAVE

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PROTESTED AGAINST I.C.E. IN THE COMMUNITIES AND DEMANDED THEY GET OUT NOW.

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I.C.E. CONTINUES TO ENDANGER COMMUNITIES AND MUST BE STOPPED BEFORE ANYONE ELSE IS HURT OR

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KILLED. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. EXERCISING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DOCUMENT AND RECORD

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I.C.E. AND OTHER FEDERAL AGENTS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER. WE MUST CONTINUE TO BEAR WITNESS

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TO WHAT IS HAPPENING, AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT IN DOING SO. WE HAVE THE RIGHT IN FREELY

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EXPRESSING OUR POLITICAL OPINIONS WITHOUT FEAR OR CENSORSHIP OR VIOLENCE. WE ALL HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT

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RIGHT TO FILM LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CARRYING OUT THEIR CIVIC DUTY -- OF THEIR DUTIES IN

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PUBLIC. OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE IN SECRET. IN EXERCISING OUR FIRST

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AMENDMENT RIGHTS CONTINUES TO BE VITAL WAY TO PUSH BACK AGAINST AUTHORITARIANISM AND THE HARM WE

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ARE WITNESSING. THIS CALL WILL GIVE YOU THE TOOLS TO EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS AND SPECIFICALLY, RIGHTS WHEN

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DOCUMENTING AND RECORDING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COUNTERS. WE WILL ALSO SHARE HOW TO TAKE

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ACTION NOW, DESPITE WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS US TO

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BELIEVE, I.C.E. AND AGENTS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. IN YOUR VOICE, IT IS ESSENTIAL TO DEMANDING CONGRESS WEIGH IN

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ON THE I.C.E. ALSO, IN BREAKING NEWS THIS EVENING, WE HAVE READ THAT GREG

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BOVINO HAS BEEN REPORTEDLY REMOVED AS BORDER PATROL COMMANDER AT LARGE. HIS DEMOTION IS A CLEAR SIGN

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THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS FEELING OUR PRESSURE TO STOP FEDERAL AGENTS LOYALTY.

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WE ARE NOT LETTING UP I.C.E. UNTIL I.C.E. AND BORDER PATROL STOPPED TERRORIZING OUR FAMILIES

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AND OUR COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR BEING HERE WITH US TONIGHT AND IN THE

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COMMUNITY BEING WILLING TO DO YOUR PART TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I WILL NOW PASS IT OVER TO

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MARJORIE, A MINNEAPOLIS COMMUNITY MEMBER. OVER TO YOU, MARJORIE.

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>> TWO OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN KILLED, BUT BECAUSE OF ORDINARY PEOPLE DOCUMENTING THE ACTIONS

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OF I.C.E., WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED TO RENEE AND ALEX AND ALSO TRACK

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WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ENSURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT SIMPLY BEING DISAPPEARED. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IN THE

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FACE OF FEAR, WE KNOW THAT WE WILL WIN. AND WE KNOW THAT THE WAY TO WIN

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IS FOR YOU TO ORGANIZE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. DON'T WAIT FOR I.C.E. TO COME TO YOUR FRONT DOOR TO DO THIS. ORGANIZE TODAY WITH YOUR

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NEIGHBORS. ORGANIZE WITH YOUR SCHOOL OR FAITH COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS MARJORIE.

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I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS, A PUBLIC SCHOOL PARENT, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,

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I'M A MOM. FOR THE LAST SEVEN WEEKS, I'VE WATCHED IN HORROR AS MY BELOVED NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

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FACED VIOLENCE, ABDUCTION AND TERROR AT THE HANDS OF I.C.E. AND OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES. LAST JUNE I WAS WITNESS TO THE

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FIRST LARGE IMMIGRATION RAID IN MINNEAPOLIS. I WENT HOME AND HAD TO LOOK MY KID IN THE FACE, KNOWING THAT

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THE PEOPLE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS INDISCRIMINATELY ROUNDING UP ARE HIS FRIENDS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

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I KNEW AT THAT MOMENT I NEEDED TO SHIFT MY DAILY LIFE IN BIG AND SMALL WAYS TO FIGHT FOR THE CITY I WANT HIM TO LIVE IN.

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I KNOW SOME OF YOU THINK YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED, OR THAT YOU'RE WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TELL YOU HOW TO DO THIS RIGHT.

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BUT LET ME TELL YOU THAT THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO DO THAT IS YOU. YOU'RE ON THIS CALL.

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YOU HAVE FIVE NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW WAITING FOR YOU TO TALK TO THEM AND GET ORGANIZED. AND THAT'S HOW YOU START.

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YOU WON'T BE PERFECT, YOU WILL MAKE MISTAKES, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO START.

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THE SAME DAY THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS MURDERED, I WITNESSED TWO PEOPLE ABDUCTED IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND STUDENTS

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AND TEACHERS TEAR GAS AT ROOSEVELT HIGH SCHOOL. IT SHOOK ME TO MY CORE. BUT THE TRUTH IS, MOST DAYS IN

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THE LAST TWO MONTHS FELT LIKE THIS. I FELT SCARED AND OVERWHELMED. BUT AMIDST ALL THIS TERROR AND

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GRIEF, I'VE BEEN INSPIRED TO SEE THE TENS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AROUND US FROM YOUNG KIDS TO PARENTS TO ELDERS, ALL COMING

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TOGETHER TO PROTECT EACH OTHER. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SCARED AND OVERWHELMED, BUT BECAUSE WE

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COLLECTIVELY REFUSED TO ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO BRING TERROR TO OUR NEIGHBORS. BLOCK BY BLOCK, SCHOOL BY

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SCHOOL, NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND OUR NEIGHBORS FROM THIS FORCE

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THAT SHOWS NO REGARD FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS. AS HORRIFIC AS IT IS, WHAT I AND

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EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY UNDERSTOOD FROM RENEE TO ALEX IS THAT DHS DOES NOT TELL THE

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TRUTH. WE KNOW BECAUSE OF DOCUMENTATION LIKE YOU WILL LEARN TO DO AT THIS TRAINING TONIGHT.

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WE KNOW IT HAPPENED TO ALEX BECAUSE EVEN AFTER RENÉE WAS MURDERED, MORE AND MORE OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE IN THE STREETS

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DOCUMENTING IN SPITE OF OUR FEAR. DESPITE THE VERY REAL RISKS WE ARE OUT IN THE STREETS TRYING TO

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HELP OUR NEIGHBORS AND I KNOW I SPEAK FOR MANY OF US WHEN I SAY I'VE NEVER BEEN SO PROUD TO BE

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FROM MINNEAPOLIS. I ALSO WANT YOU TO NOTICE THE PEOPLE DOING THIS WORK OF PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORS ARE REGULAR PEOPLE.

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WE WAKE UP AN HOUR EARLY TO MAKE SURE OUR KIDS GET BREAKFAST AND GET OUT THE DOOR SO WE HAVE TIME TO MAKE SURE THE OTHER KIDS ON

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THE BLOCK TO GET TO SCHOOL SAFELY AND THEN BACK OUT ON THE STREETS SO WHEN ANOTHER PARENT

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WALKS THEM HOME AFTER SCHOOL IT WON'T BE TO AN EMPTY HOUSE. THIS IS A CRISIS. WE CAN'T KEEP GOING WITH

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BUSINESS AS USUAL. WE ARE GOING TO BE FOREVER CHANGED BY THIS EXPERIENCE WITNESSING WHAT IS POSSIBLE WHEN

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WE LOOK TO OURSELVES AND ONE ANOTHER TO BUILD THE WORLD WE WANT TO LIVE IN. WE ARE BUILDING THAT RIGHT HERE,

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RIGHT NOW IN MINNEAPOLIS. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INCLUDING MANY OF YOU IN THIS CALL TOOK ACTION ON JAN

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JANUARY 203RD TO DEMAND I.C.E. OUT OF MINNESOTA. BUT OUR CALL ISN'T FOR THEM TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TERRORIZE

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ANOTHER COMMUNITY. OUR CALL IS WE NEED TO HOLD TO ACCOUNT THOSE IN CHARGE. NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, WHAT

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SKILLS YOU HAVE FOR WHERE YOU LIVE, THERE IS A ROLE FOR YOU AND LOTS OF THINGS YOU CAN DO BUT WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS

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ORGANIZE TODAY, TOMORROW AND THE NEXT DAY IN YOUR OWN COMM COMMUNITY SO WE CAN HAVE A DEMOCRACY THAT KEEPS OUR

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FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE AND PROSPEROUS. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK WITH YOU AND I'M GOING TO HAND THIS OVER TO MY FRIENDS AT THE

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ACLU FOR THE KNOW YOUR RIGHTS TRAINING.

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>> HI, EVERYONE. I AM A FELLOW AT THE ACLU SPEECH TECHNOLOGY PROJECT WHERE I WORK

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ON DEFENDING THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF GRASSROOTS ACTIVISTS AND ORGANIZERS. I'M HONORED TO BE HERE TONIGHT WITH ALL OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT

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THE RIGHT TO RECORD IMMIGRATION LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO LET'S GET INTO IT.

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NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO

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PHOTOGRAPH OR FILM ANYTHING PLAINLY VISIBLE IN PUBLIC INCLUDING IMMIGRATION AND LAW ENFORCEMENT SO LONG AS YOU ARE

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NOT TRESPASSING OR VIOLATING A LAWFUL ORDER. RECORDING IMMIGRATION LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IS NOT A

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CRIME AND THEY CANNOT ARREST YOU FOR THAT ALONE. BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE NOT TO

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PHYSICALLY INTERFERE WITH AN OFFICER. THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES NOT PROTECT INTERFERENCE OR OBSTRUCTION.

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WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS LATER BUT MAINTAINING A REASONABLE DISTANCE FROM THE OFFICERS WILL REDUCE THEIR ABILITY TO FALSELY CLAIM THAT

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YOU WERE OBSTRUCTING WHILE RECORDING. AND WE ALSO JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE

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OWNER CAN SET RULES ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY AND VIDEO.

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IF AN OFFICER DEMANDS TO SEE YOUR PHONE OR TRIES TO TAKE IT FROM YOU, REMEMBER THAT THEY DO NEED A WARRANT.

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WITHOUT A WARRANT, LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY NOT CONFISCATE OR VIEW THE CONTENTS OF YOUR DIGITAL DEVICES NOR MAY THEY

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DELETE YOUR DATA. SOME IMPORTANT LIMITATIONS TO KEEP IN MIND.

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WHILE YOU DO HAVE A RIGHT TO RECORD LAW ENFORCEMENT IN PUBLIC PLACES, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS.

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THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOESN'T PROTECT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, EVEN IF YOUR MOTIVATION IS LAW

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ENFORCEMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OR SHARING IMMIGRATION AND ENFORCEMENT THAT USES WITH THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN STILL BE SUBJECT TO

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PUNISHMENT FOR BREAKING OTHERWISE VALID LAWS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, MANY STATES HAVE

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HANDS-FREE DRIVING LAWS AND THOSE MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO HAVE YOUR PHONE IN YOUR HAND WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING. IN THAT CASE, IF YOU RECORD

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I.C.E. FROM BEHIND THE WHEEL WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING AND HOLDING YOUR PHONE, YOU CAN BE PULLED OVER OR CITED FOR BREAKING THE

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LAW. REMEMBER IF YOU ARE OBSTRUCTING OUR PHYSICALLY INTERFERING WITH OPERATIONS, YOU CAN BE ARRESTED

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AND PUNISHED EVEN IF YOU ARE DOING SO TO EXPRESS YOURSELF. AND AS A SIDE NOTE, SINCE WE ARE

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TALKING ABOUT RECORDING, SOME STATES DO HAVE TWO-PARTY CONSENT LAWS THAT WOULD APPLY AND PRIVATE INTERACTIONS.

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SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE RIGHT TO RECORD, KEEP THAT IN MIND. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

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EVEN THOUGH YOU DO HAVE A RIGHT TO RECORD IMMIGRATION LAW ENFORCEMENT IN PUBLIC, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T STILL CARRY RISKS, SO WE WANT TO

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TALK ABOUT THEM TODAY. AS WE'VE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM LA TO MINNEAPOLIS, MANY OFFICERS ARE STILL

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RETALIATING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO RECORD THEM. SOME OF THEM ARE REACTING HARSHLY TO THOSE THE RECORD THE

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ACTIVITIES INCLUDING THREATENING AND MAKING ARRESTS OR WORSE AND EVEN THOUGH THAT KIND OF RETALIATION IS AN ILLEGAL

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VIOLATION OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND THE FACT THAT IT'S ILLEGAL MAY PROTECT YOU FROM

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PROSECUTION AND PUNISHMENT ONCE IT GOES TO A JUDGE. THAT'S STILL PAINFUL PROCESS TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, SO WE WANT

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TO MINIMIZE THE RISK HOWEVER WE CAN. AND AS WE'VE ALL SEEN, AGENTS MIGHT RESPOND WITH PHYSICAL FORCE, THEY MIGHT PULL OUT THEIR

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GUNS, SPRAY CHEMICAL IRRITANTS OR ASSAULT PEOPLE. YOUR PHYSICAL SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF THOSE AROUND YOU AND

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THE PEOPLE BEING TARGETED IS A TOP PRIORITY. SO WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE WAYS TO REDUCE THESE RISKS IN A BIT.

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WE HAVE WHISTLES, THEY HAVE GUNS. SO WE ALSO WANT TO GIVE YOU A NOTE ON WHISTLING.

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ONE, INCREASING THE TACTIC WHICH WAS FIRST POPULARIZED IN CHICAGO HAS BEEN THE USE OF WHISTLES TO

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WARN NEIGHBORS THE DANGER OF IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IS PRESENT IN THE AREA. WHEN I.C.E. OR BORDER PATROL AGENTS ARE SPOTTED, WHISTLES

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RING OUT AS A DECENTRALIZED WARNING SYSTEM. THE SOUND OF WHISTLES BRINGS

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NEIGHBORS WILLING TO ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BEARING WITNESS OUT OF THEIR HOMES TO OBSERVE AND DOCUMENT.

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IT ALSO ENABLES THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO THIS ACTIVITY TO STAY AWAY. THAT COULD INCLUDE PARENTS WHO

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PREFER TO SHIELD YOUNG CHILDREN FROM TRAUMA. IT ALSO INCLUDES PEOPLE FEARFUL OF BEING TARGETED, HARASSED OF

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STOPS, QUESTIONING AND EXCESSIVE FORCE REGARDLESS OF THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS.

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WHEN THE WHISTLES BELOW, REPORTS ARE MADE TO IMMIGRANT RIGHTS GROUPS, LEARNERS ARE OBS

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AND INFORMED AND THEY ARE LIKELY TO GO UNSEEN AND ACCOUNTED FOR. WHISTLES ARE CLEAR ON

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RECOGNIZING THE WAY TO SIGNAL TO OTHERS NEARBY HELP IS NEEDED AND ABUSES OF POWER MIGHT BE

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OCCURRING OR TO SOME AND OTHERS TO LAWFULLY DOCUMENT AND RECORD IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT. BUT THERE ARE SOME

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CONSIDERATIONS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. IF YOU PLAN TO USE WHISTLES OR OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATIONS TO ALERT OTHERS ABOUT NEARBY

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ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS. WHISTLING IN THIS CONTEXT ACTUALLY HASN'T BEEN TESTED IN COURT YET, SO WE CAN'T PREDICT

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FOR CERTAIN HOW COURTS WILL VIEW WHISTLING. WHAT WE CAN OFFER TODAY IS AN ANALYST IS DRAWN FROM THE

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GENERAL FIRST AMENDMENT PRINCIPLES REGARDING FI FREEDOM OF SPEECH. YOU HAVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT

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RIGHT TO SHARE OR REPORT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DOING IN PUBLIC AND WHERE THEY ARE

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DOING IT. YOU ALSO HAVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST, WHICH INCLUDES THE

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RIGHT TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY W THROUGH SILENCE OR COMMUNICATION

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INTENDED TO BE HEARD BY PEOPLE NEARBY. BUT REMEMBER, YOU DO NOT HAVE

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THE RIGHT TO INTERFERE WITH OR OBSTRUCT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM PERFORMING THEIR

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DUTIES, AND YOU CAN BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED FOR DOING SO. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

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SORRY, THAT'S THE RIGHT SIDE. SO, WHISTLES SPECIFICALLY USED TO INTERFERE WITH LAW

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ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS ARE NOT LIKELY TO BE VIEWED BY COURTS AS A PROTECTED FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.

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THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOESN'T PROTECT THE INTENDED TO HELP SOMEONE OF A DETECTION IF YOU KNOW OR IF YOU'RE ACTING IN

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RECKLESS DISREGARD OF THE FACTS THAT THE PERSON IN THE COUNTRY IS IN VIOLATION OF IMMIGRATION

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LAW. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THESE QUESTIONS ARE LARGELY LEGALLY UNTESTED WHEN IT COMES TO

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WHISTLING, THE BEST WE HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU AS AN ANALYST IS DRAWN FROM THE GENERAL FIRST AMENDMENT PRINCIPLES. WHISTLING DONE WITH THE INTENT

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TO ALERT THE COMMUNITY TO GENERAL DANGERS OF AGGRESSIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AS IT IMPACTS

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ALL PEOPLE IS MORE LIKELY TO BE VIEWED BY COURTS AS PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

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SO, THAT INCLUDES WHISTLING TO SUMMON WILLING OBSERVERS TO COME OUT AND BEAR WITNESS IN THE HOPE

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OF DETERRING ABUSE AND HOLDING OFFICERS TO ACCOUNT. THAT INCLUDES WHISTLING TO WARN

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OF VULNERABLE AND RISK-AVERSE NEIGHBORS OF THE THREAT OF EXCESSIVE FORCE, HARASSMENT AND

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WRONGFUL ARRESTS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PERCEIVED TO LOOK OR SOUND UNDOCUMENTED. WHISTLING TO ALERT PARENTS WHO

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WISH TO SHIELD CHILDREN FROM TRAUMA. THESE ARE ALL SITUATIONS IN

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WHICH WE THINK THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS MORE LIKELY TO PROTECT THIS IN THE EYES OF THE

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COURT. TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY MORE LIKELY, WE ARE SAYING MORE LIKELY BECAUSE NO CASES HAVE YET

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TESTED WHISTLING SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CONTEXT, SO WE CAN'T PREDICT FOR CERTAIN HOW THE COURTS WILL VIEW THE ACTIVITY AT

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THIS TIME. AND I KNOW THIS LEAVES A NUMBER OF UNOPENED QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WHISTLING IS

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OFTEN DONE WITH MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE DIFFERENT PURPOSES IN THEIR MINDS, AND

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THESE ARE LEGALLY UNTESTED WATERS. IN ADDITION, ORDINARY RULES PROHIBITING OBSTRUCTION,

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PHYSICAL INTERFERENCE AND CREATION OF SAFETY HAZARDS ALWAYS APPLY AS WELL AS LOCAL NOISE ORDINANCES, SO BLOWING THE

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WHISTLE WILL NOT SHIELD YOU FROM BEING CHARGED WITH OTHER CRIMES.

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IN CONSIDERING WHISTLING, GIVEN THESE UNCERTAINTIES YOU CAN ALWAYS CONSULT ADDITIONAL EXPERT

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RESOURCES. FINALLY, WHISTLING MAY ANTAGONIZE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS AND THEREFORE, YOU WILL ALSO NEED TO ASSESS YOUR OWN

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PERSONAL SAFETY RISKS FOR YOURSELF SEPARATE FROM THE RISK OF ARREST OR PROSECUTION.

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YOUR PERSONAL LEVEL OF RISK MAY ALSO DEPEND ON THE OTHER ACTIVITIES OR ACTIONS REGARDING

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IMMIGRANTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THE HISTORY OF THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM YOU ARE COORDINATING. NOW I WANT TO PASS THIS OVER TO

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TELL MORE ABOUT WAYS TO REDUCE RISK WHILE RECORDING IMMIGRATION AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

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>> THANK YOU. AND HELLO, EVERYONE.

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I USE SHE HER PRONOUNS AND I'M THE NATIONAL DIRECTOR FOR COMMUNITY STRATEGIES AT THE

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ACLU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO.

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ANYBODY UNDOCUMENTED, I'M TOUCHED BY THE FACT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES

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AT RISK, SAFETY AT RISK TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES. I CAN TELL YOU I WAS A TEENAGER

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WHEN I WAS UNDOCUMENTED AND DIDN'T THINK THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE LIKE YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. NOW, SHE'S JUST SHARED WITH US

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WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE, BUT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, DOCUMENTED OR

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NOT, CITIZEN OR NOT. AND AGAIN, WE ARE SEEING THAT

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THIS ADMINISTRATION SEEMS TO CARE LESS ABOUT THE CONST CONSTITUTION. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THEM

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GET AWAY WITH IT, BECAUSE IF WE GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS, THAT IS THE EASIEST WAY FOR THEM TO TRAMPLE

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ON THEM. IF WE CONTINUE TO EXERCISE THEM, WE WILL MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. AS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY,

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THERE WAS A CHANGE. THE FACT THAT BOVINO WON'T BE

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THERE ANYMORE IS HUGE. SOMETIMES IT FEELS DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES YOU WONDER WHY DO THIS, WHY DOES IT MATTER.

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SOMETIMES I'VE HEARD PEOPLE ASK WHY KNOW MY RIGHTS IF THEY ARE BEING VIOLATED, AND I CAN TELL YOU A FEW THINGS.

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ONE, WHY DO THIS? BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE

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WHO ARE VERY VULNERABLE RIGHT NOW WHO NEEDS YOU TO SPEAK OUT. ONE. NUMBER TWO, KNOWING OUR RIGHT IS

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AN IMPORTA IMPORTANT, BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY GET VIOLATED, BEING ABLE TO DOCUMENT , WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING

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ABOUT TODAY, IT'S IMPORTANT SO WE ARE ABLE TO CHALLENGE VIOLATIONS IN COURT. AND THREE, WHEN WE ARE TALKING

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ABOUT DOCUMENTATION, THAT IS HOW WE SHOW THE ABUSES OF POWER.

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THAT'S HOW WE CHANGE THE CONVERSATION. WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, NOT ON MY WATCH.

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WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE DOCUMENTING AND RECORDING. SO, WE TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE

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RISKS, THE RIGHTS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RISK BECAUSE THOSE ARE VERY REAL. WE ARE SEEING IT. AND WE ARE SEEING THAT EVEN IF

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WE KNOW OUR RIGHTS, THERE MIGHT BE VIOLATIONS, SO LET'S BE READY FOR THIS.

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OUR TOP CONCERN FOR YOU ALL IS SAFETY AND DE-ESCALATION. AND AGAIN, WE CAN TELL YOU WAYS TO PREVENT OR MINIMIZE RISK, BUT

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WE CAN'T ELIMINATE IT UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS MOMENT. NEVERTHELESS, LET'S KEEP THIS IN

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MIND. ONE OF THE WAYS TO MITIGATE RISK IS BY MAINTAINING OUR DISTANCE.

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SOME PEOPLE MAY ASK WHAT IS SAFE DISTANCE? I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THE RULES

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OF THUMB IS IF THE OFFICER HAS TO WALK TOWARDS YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE AT THAT DISTANCE, THAT IS

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THE RULE OF SAFETY SO KEEPING, MAINTAINING YOUR DISTANCE.

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ANOTHER ONE, REMAIN CALM.

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ONE THING OFFICERS RELY UPON, I HAVE REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO THIS

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BECAUSE SHE ALL OF A SUDDEN DID THIS. SO IF WE REMAIN CALM AND VOICE

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OUR MOVEMENTS, WE GIVE THEM LESS OF A REASON TO SAY THAT THEY BEL BELIEVED THAT SOMETHING BAD WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

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AS MENTIONED, THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES YOU CAN'T BE USING YOUR HANDS AND HOLDING OTHER THINGS

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WHILE DRIVING. SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN KEEP IN MIND IS UNDER OTHER ALTERNATIVES, THERE DEFINITELY

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ARE. THE PASSENGER CAN RECORD. THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE THAT ARE USING CAMERAS, SO BEING AWARE OF

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WHAT EXCUSE CAN THEY USE TO COME AFTER YOU IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

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KEEPING OUR HANDS OPEN AND VISIBLE IS IMPORTANT. FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS.

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I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE HEAR THE INSTRUCTIONS AND BELIEVE THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOT LAWFUL.

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WE BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG AND IT CAN BE AND THAT CAN BE THE CASE.

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UNLESS WE TALK ABOUT LIKE RIGHT NOW MITIGATING RISKS, DE-ESCALATING AND KEEPING SAFE. SO, LET'S MAKE SURE IF WE WANT

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TO DO THAT, THE BEST THING TO DO IS FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS AND WE CAN CHALLENGE THEM IN THE COURT

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OF LAW, WE CAN RECORD WHAT HAPPENED AND DOCUMENT FOR LATER.

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BUT IN THE MOMENT IT IS BEST TO FOLLOW THOSE INSTRUCTIONS. AND AS YOU FOLLOW THEM AND IF

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YOU ARE RECORDING, RECORD YOURSELF COMPLYING. IF THE OFFICER SAYS BACK AWAY, YOU CAN SAY OKAY AND YOU CAN

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RECORD YOURSELF BACKING AWAY SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO RECORD IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S

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RECORDED THAT YOU DID COMPLY WITH INSTRUCTIONS. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED NOT

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RESISTING OR OBSTRUCTING. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE MANY OF THE THINGS PEOPLE DO, THINGS GET OUT

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OF CONTROL. SO I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS WILL DEFINITELY TAKE AWAY ANY RISK.

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BUT THESE ARE SOME TIPS THAT WE CAN USE. NOW I WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS A

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ROLE-PLAY BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS ALWAYS HELPFUL TO PRACTICE BECAUSE WHEN WE ARE IN THE

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ACTION, IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER SO IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO PRACTICE RIGHT NOW. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME ON CAMERA SO WE CAN BOTH DO A

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ROLE-PLAY. LET ME SET THE SCENE FOR THE ROLE-PLAY. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK THE MIDNIGHT SPECIAL COLLECTIVE

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BECAUSE THEY CREATED THESE AND THE ROLE-PLAYS ARE ABOUT AN OBSERVER THAT IS DOCUMENTING AN

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ARREST AND TRYING TO RECORD WHAT IS HAPPENING BUT THEY ARE DOING

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IT BEHIND A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. YOU WILL BE THE OBSERVER AND I AM GOING TO BE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND IN THE

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FIRST SCENARIO, YOU WILL TAKE THE APPROACH WHERE SHE IS RIGHT ON MY FACE AND THEN A DIFFERENT

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APPROACH. FEEL FREE TO WRITE IN THE CHAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES YOU ARE

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SEEING AND WHY YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE. SO, ARE YOU READY? GREAT.

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I SEE YOU'RE THERE. SO LET'S DO IT. ACTION. BACK AWAY.

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>> I HAVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FILM I.C.E. >> I SAID BACK AWAY. >> I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DOCUMENT YOU!

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THAT'S MY PHONE. I WAS RECORDING WITH THAT. >> NOW TAKE NOTES.

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SO, THAT WAS ONE APPROACH TO OUR OBSERVER REPORTING WHAT WAS

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HAPPENING. LET'S TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IN THIS APPROACH YOU WILL SEE HOW SHE BEHAVES.

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ARE YOU READY? >> I'M READY. >> ALL RIGHT. BACK AWAY.

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>> I'M BACKING AWAY, OFFICER. >> I TOLD YOU TO BACK AWAY. >> I'M BACKING AWAY, OFFICER.

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>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU SHARE WITH US I KNOW THE AUDIENCE IS PARTICIPATING IN THE

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TELLING US WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE, BUT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES?

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>> IN BOTH SCENARIOS, I WAS EXERCISING MY RIGHT TO RECORD IMMIGRATION OFFICERS OPERATING IN PUBLIC AND FROM A LEGAL

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STANDPOINT, THE CONSTITUTIONS SURE TO PROTECT ME FROM ARREST OR PROSECUTION FROM RECORDING IN

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BOTH SCENARIOS. BUT YOU CAN ALSO NOTICE KEY DIFFERENCES IN HOW I HANDLED THE OFFICER'S AGGRESSION AND THR

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THREATS. IN THE FIRST SCENARIO I USED MY RIGHTS TO ARGUE WITH THE OFFICER AND EVEN THOUGH THE FIRST

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AMENDMENT DOES ALSO PROTECT THAT SPEECH OR GIVING WITH AN OFFICER COULD ALSO ESCALATE THE

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SITUATION AND IT COULD PUT ME AND OTHERS IN PHYSICAL DANGER. IN THE SECOND SCENARIO, I SIMPLY

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EXERCISED MY RIGHTS WHILE ALSO DE-ESCALATING AND ACHIEVED THE SAME RESULT WHICH IS GETTING A RECORDING OF THE OFF

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OFFICERS ACTIVITIES. AND IN THE MEANTIME I ALSO REDUCED MY RISK AND THE RISK TO OTHERS AROUND ME.

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>> THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE TWO APPROACHES FOR YOU TO THINK THROUGH.

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HOW WOULD YOU REACT? AND SOMETIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ACTION IS HARD TO THINK ABOUT SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT

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NOW, THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO SO. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT BEST

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PRACTICES WHEN RECORDING. ONE OF THE THINGS IS MAKE SURE YOU CAPTURE THE DETAILS SUCH AS

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THE DOCUMENTS THE AGENTS PRODUCE IF THEY PRODUCE ANY, FOR EXAMPLE IF THEY ARE GOING DOOR-TO-DOOR THEY MIGHT PRODUCE A DOCUMENT

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AND THEY MIGHT NOT. ANY WEAPONS THAT THEY ARE CARRYING, ANY BADGES AND UNI

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UNIFORM, ANYTHING THAT THEY ARE WEARING IS IMPORTANT. ALSO, CAPTURE THE CONTEXT.

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FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE IN THE STREET, WHAT ARE THE STREET SIGNS AND LANDMARKS, THAT'S

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IMPORTANT. ARE THERE ANY CAMERAS PRESENT BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CAMERAS AND THE

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RECORDING BUT PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND SEEING IT FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES IS IMPORTANT SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER CAMERAS PRESENT.

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IF YOU ARE RECORDING, DON'T STOP RECORDING BETWEEN SHOTS BECAUSE THAT IS EASIER TO KNOW WHAT IS

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HAPPENING. AFTER YOU FILM, MAKE SURE TO MAKE A COPY OF THE FOOTAGE SO

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YOU DON'T LOSE IT TO ANOTHER DEVICE. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT EDIT THE

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ORIGINAL AND YOU DO NOT EDIT THE FILE NAME OR ANYTHING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS PRESERVED AS IT IS BECAUSE IF WE

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ARE TO USE IT AS EVIDENCE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN TAMPERED WITH.

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NOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I GET ASKED IS WHAT DO I DO WITH THE FOOTAGE.

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THE BEST THING TO DO IS EITHER GIVE IT TO THE VICTIM'S FAMILY OR THEIR LAWYER IF THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY GET TO

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DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO RELEASE IT, HOW THEY WANT TO RELEASE IT, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO RELEASE IT.

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THAT IS THE BEST WAY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE FAMILY AND YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR LAWYER, YOU COULD ALSO

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CONTACT IMMIGRATION ORGANIZATIONS IN YOUR AREA WHO PROBABLY CAN GUIDE YOU WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IN YOUR

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LOCALITY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. NOW, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES

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FOR QUESTIONS. AND I AM SEEING -- I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE CHAT AND SEEING QUESTIONS COMING THROUGH.

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FIRST QUESTION IS FOR YOU. LET ME ASK THE FIRST QUESTION AND IT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PHONES AND THERE'S A LOT OF

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QUESTIONS SHOULD I USE MY PHONE SEEING WHAT IS HAPPENING AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT SHOULD I DO IT FOR AN OFFICER TAKES MY PHONE

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AWAY FROM ME AND KEEPS IT OR LOOKS AT IT WITHOUT A WARRANT?

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>> SO, IF AN OFFICER TAKES YOUR PHONE AWAY OR LOOKS AT IT WITHOUT A WARRANT, THEN YOU

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SHOULD IMMEDIATELY MAKE A DETAILED RECORD OF THE INCIDENT. YOU SHOULD WRITE DOWN EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

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YOU SHOULD WRITE DOWN THE OFFICER'S BADGE NUMBER IF YOU HAVE IT, THE NUMBER OF THEIR

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PATROL CAR, AND YOU SHOULD ALSO COLLECT THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF ANYBODY ELSE AROUND YOU THAT

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WITNESSED IT ESPECIALLY IF THEY ALSO HAVE VIDEO DOCUMENTATION OF THE INCIDENT SO YOU CAN COLLECT

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THAT. THEN WE RECOMMEND REPORTING IT TO THE LEGAL TEAM YOU ARE WORKING WITH IF YOU HAVE ONE OR OTHERWISE YOU CAN REACH OUT TO

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YOUR LOCAL ACLU TO SHARE WHAT HAPPENED AND THAT WAY WE CAN

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VINDICATE YOUR RIGHTS FROM TH THERE. >> SPEAKING OF PERFORMANCE, WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE IN RECENT DAYS, THERE

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WAS REPORTING ABOUT HOW NICE AND THE ADMINISTRATION SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU DON'T NEED A JUDICIAL

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WARRANT WHEN SOMEBODY'S HOME. YOU CAN USE AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT SO WE ARE GETTING A LOT

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OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND IT IS HOW IS THAT CHANGED. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE IT FIRST AND I CAN ADD?

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>> I'M GOING TO LET YOU GO AHEAD WITH THAT ONE. >> YOU'VE GOT IT. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

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THE CONSTITUTION HAS NOT CHANGED. THE LAW HAS NOT CHANGED BECAUSE

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THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS SO IT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS SO. IN THE CASE OF A JUDICIAL WARRANT, LET'S BE CLEAR THE

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FOURTH AMENDMENT REQUIRES THAT ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL HAS A JUDICIAL WARRANT AND THAT IS

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ANOTHER QUESTION WE GET IS WHAT IS A JUDICIAL WARRANT. IT IS SIGNED BY A JUDGE, ISSUED

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BY A COURT. IT HAS TO BE VALID. IT HAS TO HAVE THE DATE IT IS

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VALID AND CLEARLY STATE WHAT THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR OR WHO THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION WHICH AGAIN

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PROTECTS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. SO, YES IN RECENT DAYS WE HAVE

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HEARD REPORTS THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT TELLING ITS OFFICERS IT'S OKAY YOU DON'T NEED A JUDICIAL WARRANT YOU CAN

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JUST ENTER INTO SOMEBODY'S HOME. I CAN TELL YOU THAT LAW HAS NOT CHANGED AND SO HERE IS WHERE WE KNOW OUR RIGHTS AND RISKS.

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THE RIGHT IS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT CONSENT TO PEOPLE TO COME INTO YOUR HOME UNLESS THEY HAVE A JUDICIAL WARRANT.

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THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENTER YOUR HOME UNLESS THEY HAVE A JUDICIAL WARRANT. AND THE RISKS UNDER THIS

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ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE SEEING OFFICERS COME IN AND WE ARE SEEING THIS DIRECTIVE, WHICH BY THE WAY WAS SECRETIVE, WHICH BY

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THE WAY WE LEARNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE WAS REPORTING OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE

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KNOWN. SO TO EMPHASIZE, THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED, THE CONSTITUTION HASN'T CHANGED AND YET WE ARE SEEING VIOLATIONS.

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WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU HERE AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IF ALL ENFORCEMENT DEMANDS YOUR

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PHONE AND THREATENS YOU WITH ARREST IF YOU DON'T HAND IT OVE?

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>> I THINK WE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT ONE, BUT I'M SEEING ANOTHER ANOTHER, A LOT, WHICH IS

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WHAT IF THE ORDERS TO STOP RECORDING. IF OFFICERS ARE TELLING YOU TO

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STOP RECORDING, AGAIN, EVERY CIRCUIT COURT THAT HAS LOOKED AT THIS QUESTION HAS AGREED THAT YOU DO HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT

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RIGHT TO RECORD LAW ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS IN PUBLIC SO WE BELIEVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES PROTECT THIS ACTIVITY AND THAT

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THEY CANNOT LAWFULLY TELL YOU TO STOP RECORDING OR RETALIATE AGAINST YOU FOR DOING SO.

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THEY NEED TO SUSPECT YOU AND HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR COMMITTING A CRIME AND IT'S NOT

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A CRIME TO RECORD LAW ENFORCEMENT SO AT THAT POINT IT IS UP TO YOU AND YOUR RISK ASSESSMENT IF YOU WANT TO

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CONTINUE TO RECORD KNOWING THAT IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED WHILE ALSO WEIGHING THAT OUT AGAINST

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THE AWARENESS THAT MANY PEOPLE'S RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S ONLY SOME RISK OF, YOU KNOW, RETALIATION

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WHETHER THAT IS PHYSICALLY OR ARREST. SO SOMETHING FOR YOU TO WEIGH

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OUT FOR YOURSELF. >> ALSO, WE ARE SEEING AS TO WHETHER THE SLIDES WILL BE

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AVAILABLE, AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS REPORT, THIS PRESENTATION IS BEING RECORDED AND YOU WILL

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BE RECEIVING THE RECORDING WITH OF THE SLIDES. I ALSO SHOULD NOTE IF YOU GO TO THE ACLU.ORG, WE HAVE ALL OF

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THIS INFORMATION WHERE YOU CAN GET IT. AND THERE WAS A QUESTION IN FACT I WANT MORE INFORMATION SO I CAN

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PROVIDE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY, SO WE CAN DO THAT. I AM SEEING A QUESTION THAT AGAIN SOMEBODY IS SAYING I AM A

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NATURALIZED CITIZEN. SHOULD I CONSIDER CARRYING MY PASSPORT WITH ME? SHOULD I MAKE A COPY?

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I AM WORRIED IF I CARRY IT AND I GET STOPPED, THEY MIGHT TAKE IT AWAY. AND IF -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT

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WOULD HAPPEN SO SHOULD I CARRY A COPY. LET'S GO BACK TO THE LAW. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANYBODY TO

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CARRY A PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. THAT IS THE LAW. HOWEVER, SOME PEOPLE WHO LOOK

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LIKE ME AND SPEAK LIKE ME, WE ARE NOT CHOOSING TO CARRY

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SOMETHING JUST IN CASE VIOLATIONS HAPPEN. SO, SOME PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO CARRY THEIR PASSPORT.

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THERE'S ALSO A PASSPORT CARD SOME PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO CARRY. OTHER PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR FAMILY AND

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THEIR LOVED ONES KNOW WHERE TO OBTAIN THE DOCUMENTATION IN CASE IT IS NEEDED BECAUSE THE REALITY

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IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN U.S. CITIZENS BE PICKED UP AND

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DETAINED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION EVEN WHEN THEY ARE A CITIZEN, EVEN WHEN THEY SAY I AM A VETERAN. EVEN WHEN THEY ARE SHOWING

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DOCUMENTS. AND T OF THE WAY FOR THEM TO GET OUT IS TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE

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U.S. CITIZENS. SO YOU CAN EITHER CARRY SOMETHING WITH YOU, AND I UNDERSTAND THE RISKS AND I CAN

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HEAR YOU IN TERMS OF THAT CAN BE LOST AND DAMAGED AND TAKEN. I HEAR YOU.

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SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS A RISK ASSESSMENT. WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. YOU COULD CARRY A COPY AND KEEP

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THE ORIGINAL AT HOME AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR EMERGENCY CONTACT KNOWS WHERE TO FIND IT EITHER

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YOUR PASSPORT, BIRTH CERTI CERTIFICATE, NATURALIZATION CERTIFICATE, THOSE ARE CHOICES. DO YOU SEE ANOTHER QUESTION

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COMING YOUR WAY? >> YES, I SEE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS THE LEGAL DISTANCE I

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HAVE TO BE A WAY TO RECORD, AND THERE IS NO RIGHT LINE FOR WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

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UNLESS YOU LIVE IN A STATE THAT MIGHT HAVE A SPECIFIC LAW THAT OFFICERS COULD INVOKE TELLING YOU TO BACK UP A CERTAIN

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DISTANCE, FOR THOSE THAT LIVE IN STATES WITHOUT THOSE LAWS, YOU WILL JUST ASSESS FOR YOURSELF WHAT IS REASONABLE AND ALSO YOU

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MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THEIR CUES FROM THE OFFICER AND REMEMBER A GOOD RULE OF LAW IS THAT YOU

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WANT TO BE ENOUGH STEPS AWAY FROM THE OFFICER THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO AFFIRMATIVELY WALK TOWARDS YOU TO BE IN PHYSICAL

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CONTACT WITH YOU SAY YOU WANT THE OFFICER TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY COME TOWARDS YOU IN ORDER TO CONTACT YOU AND THAT WILL

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REDUCE THE CHANCE THAT THEY WILL CLAIM THE TWO WERE INTERFERING.

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YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT BLOCKING ANYONE FROM ENTERING OR EXITING THE AREA. THESE ARE GOOD GUIDELINES AND

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OVERALL SOMETHING YOU ALSO WANT TO CHECK OUT WITH YOUR LOCAL EXPERTS AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

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THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE PROGRAMMING FOR YOU. WE HAVE AMAZING SPEAKERS ON THE PHONE LINES DOING THE WORK OF

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PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITIES. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS THE

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COEXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL LABOR ORGANIZING NETWORK AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING AMAZING WORK TO PROTECT OUR

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COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO. AND I AM TURNING IT OVER TO YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. HELLO, EVERYONE. AND THANK YOU FOR CONVENING THIS

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URGENT CALL AND THANK YOU ALL FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT WITH YOUR

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MIND AND HEART OPEN.

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I SERVE AS THE CODIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL DAY LABOR NETWORK AND I

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COME HERE WITH A BROKEN HEART. I AM IN IMMIGRANT AND I'M HERE

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WITH DEEP PAIN AND OUTRAGE. ACROSS THE COUNTRY MY RELATIVES

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ARE NO LONGER LIVING IN FEAR OF ASSAULT AND IMPRISONMENT, THEY ARE ALSO ENTERING AND WITNESSING

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DAILY VIOLENCE. AS WE ALL KNOW, RUNNING GOOD AND

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ALEX PRETTI WERE SHOT DEAD WITH ENCOUNTERS OF I.C.E. AND BORDER

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PATROL. OUR ALLIES, FRIENDS, AS WELL AS

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THE MANY HIDDEN DEATHS OF MIGRANTS THAT SHOCK THE CONSCIENCE OF OUR COUNTRY.

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AND THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED EVENTS. THEY ARE PART OF AN ESCALATED

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CAMPAIGN OF AUTHORITARIAN BRUTALITY. AS I SAID, I AM IN EL SALVADOR AGAIN AND I HAVE SEEN WHAT

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AUTHORITARIANISM LOOKS LIKE.

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I EXPERIENCED IT AS A CHILD IN A YOUNG MAN AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MINNEAPOLIS IS SIMILAR TO

41:25

WHAT I LIVE IN MY OWN HOMELAND BUT ALSO TO WHAT WE EXPERIENCE

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IN LOS ANGELES LAST SUMMER. NEIGHBORS TERRORIST, FAMILIES TRAUMATIZED AND FEAR SPREADING

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EVERYWHERE WHERE PEOPLE GATHER TO WORK, TO LEAVE AND BUILD COMMUNITIES.

41:47

THESE ARE NOT ABSTRACT NUMBERS. THEY ARE OUR RELATIVES, NEIGHBORS, COLLEAGUES, FRIENDS.

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WITH EACH LIFE LOST, THE ENGLISH HITS FAMILY HOMES, PLACES OF

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WORSHIP, SCHOOL PLAYGROUNDS, AND

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WE CANNOT LOOK AWAY. THESE MOMENTS WE MOVE FROM IN

42:13

THE NATION TO ACTION DEMANDS THAT WE SHOW UP FOR ONE ANOTHER

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IN PERSON, IN PEACE, FULL OF COURAGE, DETERMINATION AND LOVE.

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IF YOU ARE ABLE TO STEP FORWARD,

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WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER TAKING ACTION TODAY, NOT LATER,

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TODAY. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE AGENTS

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HAVE THE POWER OF THEIR BADGES AND INSTITUTIONS AND WEAPONS BUT

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WE HAVE THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE. THE POWER FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND

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COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS WHY MY ORGANIZATION LAUNCHED LAST

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SUMMER A CAMPAIGN CALLED ADOPT THE CORNER. IT'S A CALL TO CONSCIENCE.

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AND HERE IS WHAT IT MEANS. VERY SIMPLE. FIND PLACES IN YOUR COMMUNITIES

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WHERE THE IMMIGRANT WORKERS GATHER. IT CAN BE CARWASHES, DELIS, DAY

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LABOR CENTERS, STREET CORNERS, CONSTRUCTION SITES.

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I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN SOME OF THIS IN YOUR COMMUNITIES. GO THERE AND COMMIT TO SHOWING

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UP REGULARLY. BE PRESENT, BE CONSISTENT.

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BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, GET TO KNOW THE WORKERS AND THEIR NAMES. OFFER SUPPORT.

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STAND BESIDE IMMIGRANTS IN THE FACE OF INJUSTICE, PROTEST

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PEACEFULLY WITH LOVE AND CARE. THIS IS SOLIDARITY WITH LOVE AND ACTION. I'VE SEEN IT.

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IT'S ABOUT BEARING WITNESS TO

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DOCUMENT, TO BUILD TRUST AND LET

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ALL VULNERABLE NEIGHBORS NO THAT THEY ARE NOT ALONE, THAT WE ARE NOT ALONE.

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IT'S IN OUR BELIEF THAT ONLY THE PEOPLE CAN SAVE THE PEOPLE.

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THROUGHOUT HISTORY WHEN GOVERNMENT POWER HITS VIOLENCE

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AND INTIMIDATION OR MARGINALIZED GROUPS, IT HAS BEEN THE CONSISTENT PRESENCE OF THE

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COMMUNITIES THAT HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE. CHICAGO AND MINNESOTA HAVE ALSO TAUGHT US THAT.

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THE STUDIES AND LIVED EXPERIENCE TELL US THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE

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SEEN AND THE RELATIONSHIPS AND

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POWER -- YOUR PRESENCE MATTERS, YOUR CONSISTENCY MATTERS.

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YOUR CARE MATTERS. SO HERE TODAY I WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST.

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PLEASE, IF YOU ARE ABLE, VISIT

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OUR WEBSITE TO FIND MORE

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INFORMATION AND GET INVOLVED. TODAY WE HONOR THE MEMORIES OF RENEE GOOD AND ALEX PRETTI.

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THEY STOOD WITH US FOR SOLIDARITY AND JUSTICE. SO, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME

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AND COMMITMENT. WE NEED ALL OF YOU TO STAND UP

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AND LEAD THE RALLIES. ONLY PEOPLE CAN SAVE THE PEOPLE.

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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[INAUDIBLE] AND OUR SISTER ORGANIZATION NETWORK.

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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR POWERFUL WORDS AND THE POWERFUL WORK THAT YOU ALL LEAD.

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I AM THE ADVOCACY DIRECTOR AT DETENTION WATCH NETWORK, A COALITION BUILDING POWER THROUGH

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COLLECTIVE ADVOCACY, GRASSROOTS ORGANIZING AND STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS TO AND

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IMMIGRATION DETENTION IN THE UNITED STATES. FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO EXPOSING THE

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HORRORS OF IMMIGRATION DETENTION IN THE U.S. A SYSTEM THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY

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INHUMANE, UNNECESSARY AND DEADLY. I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TONIGHT TO DISCUSS HOW THE

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VIOLENT ATTACKS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN OUR COMMUNITIES AGAINST OUR IMMIGRANT LOVED ONES IS CONNECTED TO THE IMMIGRATION

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DETENTION SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE INCLUDING MANY FAMILIES AND CHILDREN END UP AFTER THEY

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ARE TARGETED AND REMOVED FROM THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND HOW THIS DETENTION SYSTEM IS

47:19

A CENTRAL PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S DEPORTATION AGENDA.

47:25

RIGHT NOW THE UNITED STATES IS EXPERIENCING UNPRECEDENTED EXPANSION OF THE IMMIGRATION

47:31

DETENTION SYSTEM, WHICH WAS ALREADY THE LARGEST DETENTION SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.

47:37

THE SYSTEM HAS EXPANDED BY NEARLY 75%, WITH OVER 70,000 PEOPLE CURRENTLY IN DETENTION

47:45

AND THIS ADMINISTRATION IS AGGRESSIVELY TRYING TO EXPAND THAT SYSTEM EVEN FURTHER.

47:51

FROM TENT CAMPS ON MILITARY BASES TO BIG PRIVATE PRISONS TO CONTRACTS WITH LOCAL JAILS AND

47:57

STATE PRISONS ACROSS THE COU COUNTRY, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS ON A SPENDING

48:03

SPREE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DETAINED WILL SKYROCKET OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS IF CONGRESS

48:09

DOESN'T CUT THEIR FUNDING NOW. THIS IS WHY WE'VE ALSO CALLED ON MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN ADDITION

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TO CUTTING THE FUNDING OF THESE AGENCIES TO ROUTINELY VISIT FACILITIES AND EXERCISE THEIR

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OVERSIGHT OF THE SYSTEM. TO BE CLEAR, AS MANY OF YOU MAY

48:29

KNOW, THESE DETENTION CENTERS ARE RIPE WITH TERRIBLE ABUSIVE CONDITIONS INCLUDING INADEQUATE

48:35

MEDICAL CARE, IN EDIBLE FOOD AND RACIST ABUSE.

48:41

LAST YEAR A RECORD OF 31 PEOPLE DIED IN DETENTION. AND THIS YEAR WITHIN THE FIRST

48:47

TWO WEEKS OF THE YEAR, WE HAD ALREADY SEEN SIX DEATHS, ONE OF

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WHICH IS BEING CONSIDERED A HOMICIDE AT THE HANDS OF DETENTION GUARDS.

48:59

WE HAVE MEMBERS ACROSS THE U.S. ADVOCATING TO END IMMIGRATION

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DETENTION AND SUPPORTING PEOPLE WHO ARE CRUELLY HELD IN FACILITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. OUR COMMUNITIES SUPPORTS AND

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AMPLIFIES LOCAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZING TO AND I.C.E. DETENTION, WHILE ELIMI ILLUMINATING THE DANGERS OF THE

49:21

TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S MULTILAYERED DETENTION EXPANSION PLAN. IF YOU WANT TO JOIN US IN THAT

49:27

FIGHT AND UNITE FOR THE RIGHTS OF IMMIGRANTS, THE COMMUNITIES NOT CAGES CAMPAIGN IS A GREAT

49:33

PLACE TO START. I.C.E. DETENTION CENTERS ARE EVERYWHERE AND EXPANDING WHICH MEANS FEDERAL POLICY IS A LOCAL

49:41

ISSUE IN COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE. AT THE DETENTION WATCH NETWORK

49:47

WE CAN CONNECT YOU WITH ORGANIZING THAT MAY ALREADY BE HAPPENING IN YOUR AREA AND OFFER TOOLKITS AND TRAINING AND OTHER

49:53

RESOURCES TO HELP YOU GET STARTED TO KEEP I.C.E. OUT OF

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YOUR COMMUNITIES. I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO ASHLEY.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THE LEADERSHIP OF THE NETWORK.

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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I AM RAGEFUL, INSPIRED.

50:19

I'M FEELING ALL THE FUELS AND I KNOW YOU ARE USE TO COMING TO

50:25

THE CALLS AND NOT ONLY GETTING INFORMATION AND POLITICAL EDUCATION LESSONS FROM THE LEADERS YOU CAN TRUST ON THE FRONT LINES BUT ALSO A CALL TO

50:33

ACTION. YOU ARE READY TO BE TOLD WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TOGETHER.

50:39

I THINK YOU ARE. BUT BEFORE WE GET TO IT, AGAIN I HAVE TO SHOW SOME LOVE TO THE

50:45

ACLU AND THE NATIONAL DAY LABORER ORGANIZING NETWORK AND DETENTION WATCH NETWORK, TO

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INDIVISIBLE. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FAMILY ON THE CALL TONIGHT, AND TO THE WHOLE OF THE NO KINGS COALITION.

50:59

I ALSO WANT TO SHOUT OUT TO ACT TV FOR MAKING TONIGHT'S CALL POSSIBLE.

51:05

THIS COUNTRY AND ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN IT AND ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AROUND THE WORLD ARE

51:11

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED AND HORRIFIED BY ABUSES COMMITTED

51:17

USING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF OUR TAX PAYER DOLLARS. ACCORDING TO A RECENT SURVEY FROM THE DATE OF HER PROGRESS,

51:23

55% OF VOTERS THINK ANY INCREASED FUNDING FOR

51:29

IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IS A BAD USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY. AGAIN, 55% OF VOTERS.

51:37

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" POLLING RELEASED ON FRIDAY MEANWHILE FOUND THAT 61% OF PEOPLE BELIEVE

51:43

THE TACTICS HAVE GONE TOO FAR.

51:53

PEOPLE SHOT IN BROAD DAYLIGHT ARE COMING TO CONGRESS TO RAIN

51:59

ANDREIN IN THE EYES AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. AND SENATORS CURRENTLY HOLD THE FATE OF THE BORDER PATROL

52:05

FUNDING IN THEIR VERY HANDS. THIS WEEK THE SENATE IS MEETING TO VOTE ON SIX GOVERNMENT

52:11

FUNDING BILLS AHEAD OF THE JANUARY 30TH GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN DEADLINE. IF CONGRESS NOW RENEWS THE

52:19

BUDGET WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED, IT WILL BECOME COMPLICIT IN THE

52:25

VIOLENCE, THE VIOLATIONS OF RIGHTS AND CHAOS THEY ARE FERMENTING EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF EVERY SINGLE DAY.

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THIS IS THE MOMENT, MY FRIENDS, TO CALL YOUR SENATOR AND TELL THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

52:41

YOU MIGHT BE LIKE YOU'RE ALWAYS TELLING ME TO CALL MY SENATOR. YEAH I'M TELLING YOU TO CALL YOUR SENATOR. I WANT YOU TO FOLLOW THE LINK

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THAT WE ARE POSTING. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT BELOW MY FACE I BELIEVE.

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AND I WANT YOU TO CALL. YOU WILL GET CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO YOUR SENATOR'S OFFICE IF YOU

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CLICK THAT LINK AND IF YOU ARE, I WANT YOU TO TELL THEM YOUR NAME, LET THEM KNOW YOU ARE THERE CONSTITUENT AND TELL THEM

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YOU WANT THEM TO REFUSE TO FUND THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY DHS WITHOUT REAL LIMITS

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AND ACCOU ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATRO.

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IF NO ONE ANSWERS, IT'S OKAY. STILL, CALL.

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LEAVE A VOICEMAIL. AND I ALSO WANT YOU TO SIGN OUR PETITION. CALLING ON CONGRESS TO END THESE

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RECKLESS IMMIGRATION RAIDS THAT ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES AND OPPOSE ANY BILL THAT WOULD

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FURTHER EXPAND THE ALREADY MASSIVE BUDGET, I SEE YOU IN THE CHAT DROPPING OTHER CALLS TO

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ACTION. THERE'S SO MUCH THAT CAN BE D DONE. THESE ARE TWO CONCRETE THINGS YOU CAN DO TONIGHT AND IF YOU'VE

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ALREADY DONE IT, YOU CAN DO IT AGAIN AND IF YOU'VE DONE IT TWICE, YOU CAN ASK A FEW OF YOUR

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FRIENDS TO COME AND DO IT WITH YOU. IF YOU ARE FOCUSED ON OTHER ACTIONS, YOU CAN KEEP SHARING

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THEM. I SEE THEM OUT FOR GOOD AND OTHER THINGS IN THE CHAT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TAKING THE

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TIME TO JOIN THIS CALL, TO COME TOGETHER ACROSS DIFFERENCES, TO BE HERE LEARNING TOGETHER AND

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MAKING A COMMITMENT TO TAKE ACTION TOGETHER TONIGHT, TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS AND BEING WILLING TO DO YOUR PART TO

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PROTECT COMMUNITIES FROM THE HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE HOMES THAT I.C.E. IS CREATING FOR OUR PEOPLE. YOUR VOICE AND ACTIONS MATTER.

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WHEN WE TURN INTIMIDATION INTO MOMENTUM, WE CHANGE WHAT IS POSSIBLE. WE MAKE THE IMPOSSIBLE

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POSSIBLE. WHILE IT CAN FEEL DAUNTING, SCARY, OVERWHELMING TO SPEAK OUT IN THE FACE OF THREATS, OTHER

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NONVIOLENT MOVEMENTS HAVE SHOWN US THAT WHEN WE SHOW UP AND WE

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ARE BIGGER THAN SOME OF OUR HEARTS WE CAN KEEP EACH OTHER SAFE AND PROTECT EACH OTHER WHILE WE EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS.

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WE HOPE THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED ON DOCUMENTING AND RECORDING LAW ENFORCEMENT ENCOUNTERS AS HELPFUL AS YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT YOUR

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COMMUNITIES. I PERSONALLY AND I THINK EVERY SINGLE SPEAKER ON THE CALL SHARE

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YOUR OUTRAGE IN THIS MOMENT, SHARE YOUR GRIEF, SHARE YOUR

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CONCERN. AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR BRAVERY AND CONTINUING TO TAKE ACTION DESPITE ALL THE O

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ODDS. AS WAS JUST SHARED, CONGRESS MUST DO THEIR PART TO STOP I.C.E. FROM HARMING COMMUNITIES AND TO KEEP US SAFE.

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YOUR OUTRTranEACH TO THEM IS ESSENTIAL, CRITICAL, IT IS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO DO THE

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RIGHT THING. SO, PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO CALL

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YOUR SENATORS AND MEMBERS AND TELL THEM NOT ONE SINGLE PENNY MORE FOR I.C.E. BRUTALITY.

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WE ALSO HOLD ANOTHER ONE OF THESE CALLS, WE ARE GOING TO DO

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IT, AND I ASK THAT YOU DON'T JUST BE THE ONLY ONE OF YOUR PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP TO THE CALL.

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I'M ASKING THAT YOU RECRUIT TO NEIGHBORS TO JOIN THE NEXT TRAINING. AGAIN I WANT YOU TO CALL YOUR

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SENATOR, GET FOLKS TO DO IT WITH YOU. I WANT YOU TO SIGN THE PETITION

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AND GET TWO OF YOUR NEIGHBORS TO JOIN THE TRAINING.

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WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STAY IN TOUCH AND CONNECTED AND CONTINUE TO SHARE INFORMATION ON WHAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE

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COUNTRY TO OUR PEOPLE IN WAYS THAT YOU CAN TAKE MEANINGFUL

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ACTION TO MAKE A CHANGE AND BUILD THE KIND OF WORLD WE HAVE ALWAYS DESERVED WHERE WE HAVE

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HEALTHY, SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES FOR ALL OF OUR PEOPLE. AGAIN I WANT TO THANK YOU ONE MORE TIME AND ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAKE THE CALL

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TONIGHT POSSIBLE FOR YOU FOR NOT REGARDING IT, TO ONCE AGAIN SHOW UP AND SHOW OUT WITH US, TO THE

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TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YOU ON THE CALL, WE ARE GRATEFUL. THANK YOU, AND WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.